Rubena St. Louis Session
Friday, 4 February 2011
Elluminate
Guest Speaker: Rubena St. Louis (Venezuela)
Coordinator: Teresa Almeida d'Eca (Portugal)
Moderators: Larisa (USA), Helen (France), Fernanda (Portugal), Valentina (Russia)
Participants: Lana (Ukraine), Svetlana (Czech Republic), Marijana (Croatia), Halima (Uzbekistan), Wen Jun/Jasmine (France), Juan (Argentina), Rosana (Saudi Arabia), Carroll (???), Derya (Turkey).
Joined on 4 de Fevereiro de 2011 at 15:03
Halima [Halima]: do you hear me?
silipa [undisclosed]: Hello Rubena
obenausova [undisclosed]: Hello Rubena
slrubena [Rubena]: Yes please
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: Hi Rubena
helend [helen]: Welcome Rubena
Moderator (slrubena [Rubena]): Thank you all
silipa [undisclosed]: Hi HelenD
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: yes
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: :)
baw2010Lana [undisclosed] 1: Lana. Hello Rubena
WJcn [undisclosed]: hello this is jasmine
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Hello Rubena
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: yes
silipa [undisclosed]: Good afternoon!
Me: hello everyone
obenausova [undisclosed]: Yes
WJcn [undisclosed]: ya
silipa [undisclosed]: yes
Me: yes
silipa [undisclosed]: don't worry
silipa [undisclosed]: yes
Moderator (Session Leader 1): let me intro you
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: I think I missed the name of the session leader 1 :(
Moderator (slrubena [Rubena]): OK no problem
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Derya the name is Rubena
helend [helen]: Session leader is Teresa !
helend [helen]: And Larissa is in the driving seat too !
silipa [undisclosed]: Larrisa is a great "driver"
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): TY Marijana
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: oh, ok! thank you all! I thought it was Teresa from her voice, but wanted to make sure :) thank you
silipa [undisclosed]: welcome
Halima [Halima]: is my mic off?
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Yes, Teresa's name is not in there -Derya
helend [helen]: Halima you can see who has the mic - it's yellow
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Teresa is Session Leader 1
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Hi Juan
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: Hi
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: thanks
helend [helen]: Hi Juan you made it !!
obenausova [undisclosed]: Through the door?
obenausova [undisclosed]: On the right?
silipa [undisclosed]: Bravo Teresa , good intreduction
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: hi Juan
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: :-)
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: everything is clear, thanks Teresa
WJcn [undisclosed]: ya
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: yes
obenausova [undisclosed]: Yes
silipa [undisclosed]: i do yes
Me: yes
Moderator (slrubena [Rubena]): yes
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: yes
obenausova [undisclosed]: cake
Halima [Halima]: yes we see
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: :)
silipa [undisclosed]: yes cake mmmm
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: mmm
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: that's the dissert in a
minutes I'm having lunch
silipa [undisclosed]: good for you Juan
silipa [undisclosed]: dinner time here
obenausova [undisclosed]: almost
helend [helen]: Nearly teatime here ! (France)
silipa [undisclosed]: oh yes Helen teat time
obenausova [undisclosed]: Hi Ayat
helend [helen]: Hi Ayat
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: it's early morning in Florida.. 10 am
silipa [undisclosed]: Hi Ayat I have read the papers
today, hope you are fine,
Ayat [undisclosed]: Hi to u all
silipa [undisclosed]: Derya good morning!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): yummy!!!!!
kulavuzd [Derya] 4:
Ayat [undisclosed]: My best moments are those i spend with
u
Moderator (Session Leader 1): ayat, so glad you're here
with us
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: good morning slipa!
silipa [undisclosed]: Hope it gets better soon
Ayat [undisclosed]: hope i haven't missed alot
silipa [undisclosed]: Derya
Moderator (Session Leader 1): we sure will, rubena
Ayat [undisclosed]: who is mod??
helend [helen]: No Ayat - you're just in time
silipa [undisclosed]: following Rubena now
kulavuzd [Derya] 4:
Moderator (Session Leader 1): great catchy slide
ValentinaSi [Valentina]: don't have a headset, cause I'm
at work. can't speak
silipa [undisclosed]: diabtetic ):
Ayat [undisclosed]: who isour moderator? larissa?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): welcome, vale!
ValentinaSi [Valentina]: only listen to Rubena
Moderator (Session Leader 1): teresa and larissa
helend [helen]: Ayat - the mods are Larissa and Teresa
Ayat [undisclosed]: lovely
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: we are the ones who know our students
better than the others
Moderator (Session Leader 1): ayat
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: better than a textbook
obenausova [undisclosed]: Will we have the slides too
later?
helend [helen]: Good point Derya
Moderator (Session Leader 1): yes
obenausova [undisclosed]: Or shall I take notes?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): no need to, svetlana
obenausova [undisclosed]: Good
Moderator (Session Leader 1): just ears and eyes wide open
silipa [undisclosed]: yes Rubena, I agree
silipa [undisclosed]: me too ears and eyes
Moderator (Session Leader 1): such a wide variety!
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: anything you see in your daily life
could well be a material if you look from that perspective
I think
Moderator (Session Leader 1): sure, derya
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: I totally agree
silipa [undisclosed]: yes derya
silipa [undisclosed]: Creativity very important, ideas
Moderator (Session Leader 1): lovely slides, rubena
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: I think that Language has to
be taught in context and with posters, etc, to make it
comprehensible
Moderator (Session Leader 1): right, juan
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: I agree Juan
Ayat [undisclosed]: build on their own knowledge not on
what we want them to knw!
Ayat [undisclosed]: know
Moderator (Session Leader 1): thinking is so important
Moderator (Session Leader 1): i agree ayat
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: I agree, and the teacher
should create that via different activities, because
thinking will not pop up magically from our students ifn
they arenot trained to think
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: like in cooking; we always build up on
what we know before..
silipa [undisclosed]:
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: so true Rubena
Ayat [undisclosed]: right, it's very important!
obenausova [undisclosed]: My experience with English in
Glasgow
Moderator (Session Leader 1): LOL
obenausova [undisclosed]: I did not understand a word.
After 10 years of learning English
silipa [undisclosed]: hhahaaha
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: It happened to me on a bus
from Oxford to London, I could not get what the bus driver
was trying to tel me!
obenausova [undisclosed]: Now I do and I love Scottish
English
Moderator (Session Leader 1):
silipa [undisclosed]: my students like to listen Scottish
English
silipa [undisclosed]: when we do listening skills
helend [helen]: Some English people cannot understand the
Scottish !
silipa [undisclosed]: mostly
silipa [undisclosed]: the accent si great
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: I've seen a phrase on the university
board saying "fan us on Facebook" in which "fan" is used
as a verb for example! that shows how dynamic a language
is
obenausova [undisclosed]: I started to after one year
there
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: I have been told that English
is a language which can turn many of its nouns into verbs!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): definitely, rubena. the
emotional level is sooo important
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: so true Juan I agree
silipa [undisclosed]: o words are changed every day
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: especially with the influence of
technology! slipa..
silipa [undisclosed]: yes,
silipa [undisclosed]: that's why I use urban dictionary
every day
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: Language is evolving at such a
speed thanks to the ICT
silipa [undisclosed]: yes Juan
silipa [undisclosed]: to build confidence in speaking is
very important
rosana [R] 1: Hi everyone
silipa [undisclosed]: link to urban dictionary for so many
new words that appear in English language
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: hi Rosana welcome!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): welcome, rosana and
alexandra
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: it is and I guess that pair
work and having them talk among themselves is esenciall,
as they do not feel fears to make mistakes in front of the
teacher
Ayat [undisclosed]: Hi Rosana
helend [helen]: Hi Rosana
rosana [R] 1: Hi Ayat
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: ohh.. thank you silipa! I was thinking
about it
silipa [undisclosed]: welcome
rosana [R] 1: Hi HELEN
helend [helen]:
rosana [R] 1: THNX SILIPA
helend [helen]: Hi Alexandra
ValentinaSi [Valentina]: have to leave now, I'll try at
home
Halima [Halima]: every LEARNER is so Unique
silipa [undisclosed]: good point rubena form large to
small
helend [helen]: bye Valentina
Moderator (Session Leader 1): bye vale. ty
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: see you Valentina
silipa [undisclosed]: bye V
rosana [R] 1: yes rubena
silipa [undisclosed]: yes, boooring to have the same
Moderator (Session Leader 1): right
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Hi all! still have no sound
Moderator (Session Leader 1): we also like variety in our
food, right?
rosana [R] 1: chk ur audio settings
silipa [undisclosed]: right
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: definitely! teresa!
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Alexandra could you go to
Tools - Audi-Audio Set Up Wizard above?
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: I can't eat the same food everyday,
yuk!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): alexandra, go to Tools >
Audio > Audio setup wizard
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: I've refreshed my settings -
thank you Larissa
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Alexandra and go through
seting speakers and mic there
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): do you hear Alexandra?
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: but unfortunately sometimes preparing
the same type of activity saves time, and makes the job
easier on our part that's why it might be tempting at
times...
rosana [R] 1: why don't u relog alex?
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: No, I don't
silipa [undisclosed]: feed back is very important to them
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Alexandra what speaker do
you use? You may loff of and come back
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: done it but I'll try again
rosana [R] 1: see if sound of ur computer is muted
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Alexandra log out and come
back check mute or not mute your volume
Ayat [undisclosed]: even feedback on the knid of
activities you use is great!!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): a pat on the shoulder
Ayat [undisclosed]: they feel their opinionis imp and
motivates them alot and u also can find appreciation which
is great for u too
rosana [R] 1:
silipa [undisclosed]: facebook
silipa [undisclosed]: son is home
Moderator (Session Leader 1): LOL marijana
Moderator (Session Leader 1): disturbance will start
silipa [undisclosed]: had to show me sth he did in school
mask of a pirate
silipa [undisclosed]: probably
rosana [R] 1:
Moderator (Session Leader 1): how cute
helend [helen]: Of course it's carnaval time soon !
Moderator (Session Leader 1): right, helen
silipa [undisclosed]: yes
silipa [undisclosed]: hubby checking schoolwork, mummy
will later
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: got the same message as in the
previous session with Graham: "Cannot connect to speaker
but will keep trying"
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Does anyone else have this
problem?
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): please Alexandra
obenausova [undisclosed]: Deegle?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): how frustrating, alexandra!
so sorry
helend [helen]: No sorry Alexandra
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): what did set up wizzard
say Alexandra?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): i never got an explanation
from elluminate
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: just refresh your settings
Ayat [undisclosed]: Nick Peachy is a great one!!!!!
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): have you gone through test
Alexandra?
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): and click on yes
helend [helen]: Larry's feed is great
silipa [undisclosed]: puzzlemaker great
silipa [undisclosed]: loved it
helend [helen]: always a first stop for planning lessons
rosana [R] 1: rubena excellent session
rosana [R] 1: thnx mods and all of u guys
Moderator (Session Leader 1): rosana. always
rosana [R] 1: sorry have 2 go now. Lunch time
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): bye Rosana
Moderator (Session Leader 1): bye rosana. ty for coming
rosana [R] 1: I ll listen 2 the recording thank u 4 that
Ayat [undisclosed]: see u Rosana
rosana [R] 1: enjoy ur time all bye
rosana [R] 1: Bye ayat
silipa [undisclosed]: bye Rosana
fernanda [Fernanda]: bye, Rosana
obenausova [undisclosed]: Does anybody know the other site
organizer like delicious? She mentioned it, did not get
it. Deezle? Beezle?
fernanda [Fernanda]: diigo
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: Diigo maybe?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): diggo
obenausova [undisclosed]: ?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): diggo
obenausova [undisclosed]: Thanks
Moderator (Session Leader 1):
helend [helen]: I'd moved everything to diigo - delicious
was in danger of closing ...
obenausova [undisclosed]: OK, I'll start with diigo
helend [helen]: But haven't heard much since the last
panic
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Welcome Caroll
helend [helen]: Hi Caroll
caroll [caroll]: thank you
silipa [undisclosed]: me too HelenD
obenausova [undisclosed]: I use annotated word document
caroll [caroll]: hi
silipa [undisclosed]: hi carol
caroll [caroll]: hi everyone
obenausova [undisclosed]: Yes, that always happens to me
Ayat [undisclosed]: hi carol!
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Hi Carol!
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: I have to go now I will watch the
rest of it from the recording.. Thank you so much Rubena!
Your slides are great, what you share is great! and thanks
to the moderators! see you all later online!
helend [helen]: You should try Diiigo Svetlana !
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Bye Derya ty for coming
obenausova [undisclosed]: I will for sure
helend [helen]: Bye Derya
Moderator (Session Leader 1): bye derya
silipa [undisclosed]: bye Derya
kulavuzd [Derya] 4: bye everybody!
fernanda [Fernanda]: bye
silipa [undisclosed]: one computer
silipa [undisclosed]: 1 computer on 20 students for me not
mnagable have to print mine or send them links to do at
home online
Moderator (Session Leader 1): i used one computer with
26-28 students and t worked very well marijana
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: got sound but only through
speakers -Adobe doesn't like my headset -lol
Moderator (Session Leader 1): i had a video projector and
all were involved
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Teresa used one computer
for 20 in Yakutsk last year and it worked
helend [helen]: Congrats Alexandra
silipa [undisclosed]: I know it can work they love
computers, I have a projeccor too, so some do with the
whole class
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Congrats Alexandra
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: In Argentina we are having one
netbook per students from this year on, and some teachers
do not want to use them, it's a pitty
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: @helen
silipa [undisclosed]: I mean some tasks I do with a whole
class
helend [helen]: Send me the netbooks Juan
silipa [undisclosed]: Great for argentina
fernanda [Fernanda]:
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): It is Juan
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: thanks
silipa [undisclosed]: me to Juan, send some hahaha
Moderator (Session Leader 1): right, rubena. how true re:
activities according to type of connection
helend [helen]: This is such good good advice !!
Halima [Halima]: in uzbekistan sts can work on Pcs
professors NO!!!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): sure is, helen!
silipa [undisclosed]: yes we have to know how to use it
first
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: why not Halima?
Halima [Halima]: too many professors of the old style
Halima [Halima]: they were communists meaning professors
of all things!
silipa [undisclosed]: We allow them to use computers for
exercise, they change , but the one who don't use them at
the moment have to have sth printed
Moderator (Session Leader 1): there's always a glitch
waiting around the corner for you
silipa [undisclosed]: or bad connections
Halima [Halima]: Helen,I saw at your wiki MI thery
Halima [Halima]: applied to ICT?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): absolutely. foresee problems
but keep it cool
Moderator (Session Leader 1): keep your cool, better said
Halima [Halima]: Helen!i am working on MI theory too
Moderator (Session Leader 1): great table, rubena! very
helpful
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Teresa have you used
Rubena's table in Yakutsk? We should.
helend [helen]: Halima - it wasn't my wiki - just a wiki
I'm a member of and like a lot !
Moderator (Session Leader 1): no. i hadn't seen it before,
as far as i remember
obenausova [undisclosed]: Which one?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): LOL
Halima [Halima]: but i saw it there Right/
Moderator (Session Leader 1): LOL rubena. retarded and
back in time!!!
helend [helen]: We used cellphones in class last week -
the computer room was down !
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Svetlana -which one you
are asking?
silipa [undisclosed]: very important
obenausova [undisclosed]: Helen, which wiki?
Moderator (Session Leader 1): way to go, helen!!
helend [helen]: With a smart phone we posted to Posterous
after (a proud moment !)
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: great
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: when there's a will there's a
way
Moderator (Session Leader 1): for sure a proud moment,
helen!
Halima [Halima]: i prepare an online seesion on creating
Learning centres
silipa [undisclosed]: I agree for giving instructions,
that is the biggest problem have to give precious and
short insructions
helend [helen]: Sorry Svetlana I will send links to wikis
I like on list !
obenausova [undisclosed]: Thanks
Halima [Halima]: send it me too
Halima [Halima]: or post HERE!
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Rubena, your outline and
table are great and easy to use for material creation
obenausova [undisclosed]: BAW list is better
helend [helen]: I'll post after - it's better to
concentrate on Rubena now
helend [helen]: She's saying so many interesting things my
head is spinning !!
silipa [undisclosed]: ok, I have to go , my son has high
blood suger, see you all later, will listen the tape
recorded
helend [helen]: Good luck !!
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Bye Marijana
Moderator (Session Leader 1): bye, marijana!
silipa [undisclosed]: bye bye
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Bye slipa
Halima [Halima]: i see that in Spanglish speaking
countries
silipa [undisclosed]: great presentation Rubena clap to
you all
Halima [Halima]: there are the best COOKS!
caroll [caroll]: bye marijana
Halima [Halima]: bcs there is SPICES very neede for every
lesson
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): I love everything
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): great recipe
caroll [caroll]: it has been great!
WJcn [undisclosed]: thank you for your presentation. no
mic, sorry. I have one question: how can we creat
activities which meet individul needs and group needs at
the same time?
Moderator (slrubena [Rubena]): Thank you all
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: i have a question: How do you
deal with students who have learning problems?
Halima [Halima]: I belong to the older generation i wonder
how the heritage of best approaches are
Halima [Halima]: delivered/shared with the Young
generation in your country
Halima [Halima]: to be a GOOD COOK needs TIME!!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): and lots of practice
Halima [Halima]: yes !
helend [helen]: great suggestions !
WJcn [undisclosed]: thanks!
WJcn [undisclosed]: ya
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: it's correct the pronunciation
Moderator (Session Leader 1): very well, larissa, i think
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): TY Juan
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: In Argentina we have many
students with learning problems
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): TY Teresa
obenausova [undisclosed]: We had a blind student at the
uni. Quite a problem
Moderator (Session Leader 1): same here, juan
Ayat [undisclosed]: so do we have to organize groups
according to learning abilities or language level??? or
according to the activity???
helend [helen]: I had a lot of special needs pupils - they
really enjoyed being creative with the computers
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: slow learners! who are with
other teachers in the classroom, but with English they
vanish in the air
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: and we have to be on our own
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: thanks a lot!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): ayat, i always liked mixed
ability groups bec. they could help one another
helend [helen]: Yes I agree !
helend [helen]: They like to help each other
WJcn [undisclosed]: I agree
Moderator (Session Leader 1): mixing is great!
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): mixing - yes
Halima [Halima]: question: Iliked the idea To create the
appropriate Learning Environment
Ayat [undisclosed]: that's right!!I have trired that and
they help each other!!
Ayat [undisclosed]: thanks alot
Halima [Halima]: at our Uzbek Uni there are about 20-39
English teachers
helend [helen]: Rubena has said so much - she must need a
drink !!
Ayat [undisclosed]: sometimes we don't have enough time
for every single person to interact or to make sure they
applied language to authentic use???
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Thank you Rubena!
Halima [Halima]: But sometimes this Specific Context is
not created/developed?What are your suggestions ?
Ayat [undisclosed]: thanks alot, rubena.
helend [helen]: You'll close the door Teresa !!
WJcn [undisclosed]: thanks a lot for this great
presentation
Moderator (Session Leader 1): yes helen!
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: thanks a lot!
slrubena [Rubena]: sorry, I got kicked out
baw2010Lana [undisclosed] 1: thanks,Rubena
slrubena [Rubena]: You're welcome.
slrubena [Rubena]: Thank you all for having me
Halima [Halima]: thak you!
caroll [caroll]: thanks to all
Moderator (Session Leader 1): nice smily stars!!!
alexandrakouk [Alexandra]: Bye everyone
obenausova [undisclosed]: Thank you.
helend [helen]: Thank you so much Rubena - food for
thought
WJcn [undisclosed]: bye
Moderator (Session Leader 1): lots helen!
caroll [caroll]: bye bye
slrubena [Rubena]: Thank you.all.
WJcn [undisclosed]:
slrubena [Rubena]: bye
Moderator (Session Leader 1): and what an appropriate
expression!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): right, helen?
fernanda [Fernanda]: bye
baw2010Lana [undisclosed] 1: bye
obenausova [undisclosed]: OK, thanks a lot and bye
everybody.
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): bye Svetlana
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): It is Teresa
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): you are wlecome
slrubena [Rubena]: Thank you again Tere.
JuanDomingoMartinez [Juan]: bye+
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Bye Juan
Moderator (Session Leader 1): send our love to daf, pls
slrubena [Rubena]: Will do
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): Thank you Rubena
Moderator (Session Leader 1): we need to keep on exiting.
sorry!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): naticel, it's finished
Moderator (Session Leader 1): sorry
Ayat [undisclosed]: Thank u all for a wonderful session !!
Moderator (Session Leader 1): bye ayat! take care and be
safe
Ayat [undisclosed]: :-)
Ayat [undisclosed]: bye, sorry
naticel [Natalia]: yes
Moderator (Session Leader 1): you need to leave so we can
stop the recoprding. ty
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): me?
naticel [Natalia]: ok
Moderator (Session Leader 1): naticel and ayat
naticel [Natalia]: how can i do it?
Moderator (lolesova [Larissa]): close this window
Moderator (Session Leader 1): File Exit
Moderator (Session Leader 1): yes
Moderator: you first
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